Hizb ut Tahrir.

Natasha Walters seems to rather like Hizb ut Tahrir. Yes, she says the right things about its banning (free speech does actually mean free you see) but this strikes me as a little odd:

But the organisation
has other faces too. I first met a couple of articulate women from Hizb
ut-Tahrir over a year ago. Among their views on the political system
the party would like to see instituted in Muslim states, they talked of
its promise of a more equal society focused on distribution rather than
production. "There is an alternative to capitalism," said Ruksana
Rahman. Another spokeswoman, Dr Nazreen Nawaz, told me: "The Islamic
economic system would provide an answer to poverty."

As
I talked to these women I realised that what they were saying echoed in
certain ways what young people in the 1930s would have said about why
they had turned to communism. These women were impatient about the
powerlessness of their people; although those people were not the
international working class but the international Muslim community.
They believed that human society was perfectible, even if it was to be
perfected not by following the precepts of Marx but those of Muhammad,
and even if the endpoint – the Caliphate – was the dictatorship not of
the proletariat but of the faithful.

Absurd
as such idealism might seem to many people in Britain, it is surely not
beyond the bounds of our imagination to see why it has become
attractive even to some educated and articulate people. Many young
people in 1930s Britain and America found themselves observing the
inertia of an unjust society and decided that the only way forward was
through fidelity to a utopian dream. By joining an international
movement they found a sense of solidarity and purpose that many held on
to even when the ideals were tarnished beyond repair.

The Islamic economic system would reduce poverty? Quite barking….it’s worked so well elsewhere eh? The idea of the zakat is fine, the tithe to the poor. The idea that the alleviation of poverty, that charity itself, is a personal obligation, not one that can be delegated to the State or seized by it, is one I have a great deal of sympathy for.

But the abolition of interest? Sorry, money has a time value and it’s an essential part of an efficiently running (ie wealthy) economy.

But then this is The Guardian. Anything that isn’t capitalism must be worthwhile, eh?

7 responses

  1. Chris harper Avatar
    Chris harper

    “By joining an international movement they found a sense of solidarity and purpose”
    Like Mosleys Blackshirts?
    “(Interest is) an essential part of an efficiently running (ie wealthy) economy.”
    Come on Tim, you are an economist, you can do better than this. Abolishing interest is fine, there are all sorts of mechanisms which can replace it. Look at Islamic mortgages, the bank takes a part ownership which diminishes over time. Savings? Easy, how about I let the bank look after my money, and then charge it damages for not giving it back immediately? Anything can be done, it just depends on how hypocritical the regulators are willing to be.
    Tim adds: Careful, no, I’m not an economist. An interested amateur only. What you describe are mimics of interest, not their abolition, as you well know. Aquinas had the same ideas within Christendom and they were silly then as well.

  2. Tim,
    The Guardian’s pinko passionaria forgot to mention another key feature of the Hizbu’s “progressive economic program” [sic]:
    These pious Pakistani men of good will also believe that, in conformity with Koranic Law, all British Christians and “Heathens” (whatever that means!) must be required to pay a specific tax called “Al-Jizya” or fiscal punishment in the language of the Prophet…
    I sometimes wonder why Herr Tony Blair calls these gentle souls “terrorists” and is adamant on banning them from British universities: after all the Hizbu-Tahreer crowd has precisely the same political and economic agenda as Iraq’s new “democratic” government.
    What’s “sound economic policy” over there must surely be beneficial to the people of England whatever their theological persuasion!
    Dr Victorino de la Vega
    The Middle East Memo
    http://www.mideastmemo.blogspot.com/

  3. She implies that being like Communism is a good thing?
    An ideology that is currently one of the front runners as the biggest killer of the 21st century reminds her of the ideology that was the biggest killer of the 20th. And this makes her feel better about it. Strange logic.

  4. That’s right, Chris. If we express her logic mathematically it becomes easier to understand: addition by subtraction will usually produce the lowest common denominator.

  5. In sport we play by the rules and have drug tests. Do they also test financiers and religious leaders? I wonder who buys all that stuff? The labourers and layman I guess!
    Who spoke of opium for the poor, the pope?
    Capitalism? How else can one make enough to support a 600 dollar a day habit?

  6. To put facts straight,
    Hizb Ut Tahrir just doesnt call for the abolishment of interest, but the change of the system itself i.e. the return to the gold standard.

  7. Regarding “Al-Jizya”,
    Yes its a tax for non muslims only. However, it’s only for those who can afford, and if you’d pick up the history books, you`ll find that the Caliphate conqured places where non-muslims were very poor, and instead of getting money, or work from them, the Caliph paid them from the States’ Treasury.
    Moreover, in the Islamic State, the Non-Muslims are exempted from fighting for the state. Implying they are not obliged to fight for the state for by paying Jizya, the state is responsible for their safegaurd.

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