Richard Brunstrom

Oh dear. Iain Dale’s just been very nice about me and my blog and now I’m about to be vicious back. Perhaps I should put it this way, this is perfect evidence for why I could never be considered a conservative: rather a radical, progressive, liberal (for certain values of radical, progressive and liberal, of course).

Richard Brunstrom is the whacky Chief Constable of North Wales. You know, the one who persecutes motorists on his day off. Here’s what Iain had to say about his latest idea:

His latest wheeze is to sanction plans for a vending machine outside
Colwyn Bay Police Station, which will dispense needles to drug addicts.
He also wants to provide a steel bin for used needles. The scheme will
be paid for by the Welsh Assembly (actually, it’s the poor bloody UK
taxpayer who will be footing the bill as usual).

Clearly and obviously an excellent idea. The public health costs of the sharing of dirty needles (and the disposal of such around the streets) are hugely greater in terms of AIDS, Hepatitis C yadda yadda than the provision of a few tens of thousands of needles a year and a steel dustbin. This is, in fact, an extremely cost effective idea, one that will pay for itself over and over again.

The only possible objection would be that we should not simply accept that intravenous drug use will happen with or without clean needles, we must wipe it out. Well, if anyone’s got any ideas about how to do that without wiping every vestige of freedom from the country, do let me know. There are others interested as well: the US has so far spent a trillion (yes, that’s one thousand thousand millions) dollars over the past few decades and drugs are cheaper and more easily available than ever. It would appear that amelioration of some of the side effects is all that is possible. Iain then asks rhetorically:

Why don’t they just go the whole hog and provide free shots of heroin too?

And I would offer, non-rhetorically, the answer, "Damn good idea". We might then be able to ameliorate more of the side effects of the taking of opiods. For example, no one would go out and steal to get their hit, would they? Crime rate halves. There would be no turf wars, no gangs, no drive by shootings, crime rate falls.  We would stop what is possibly the most absurd and counter-productive policy currently operative: we leave the distribution of a highly addictive, highly profitable substance to criminals.
Addicts would get pure drugs (no, not 100% heroin, but uncut by rat poison for example) so fewer would die of their addiction. It’s well known that on pharmaceutical grade drugs (the main source of which is, I believe, Tasmania, for factoid geeks)  addicts can and do live healthy and useful lives for decades.
In fact, given that the cost to the NHS of a day’s worth of heroin is less than the cost of a prescription, it all sounds like a remarkably good idea.
Let’s give the addicts free heroin, cut disease, halve the crime rate and drive at least some of the criminal gangs out of business.

Now, clearly, as everyone knows, I’m a nutter, prone to offering completely absurd solutions to the ills of the world.

However, I’ll leave you with Richard Brunstrom’s post (yes, he is the Chief Constable who blogs) on the matter of the needles and the dustbin.

It’s here.

One question for you. Of the three of us, Iain the mainstream Conservative, myself, the raving nutter and Brunstrom, the decidedly weird copper, who is the most rational on this one specific subject?

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27 responses

  1. agree wholeheartedly with this post.
    providing the carrot doesn’t mean removing the stick. but we do need some carrot.

  2. As a Conservative, Richard, I couldn’t agree with you more. Looking at drug policy over the last 40 years as a scientist, you would have to say that prohibition has failed. However, I resent my tax pounds going on funding layabouts. Instead I think drugs should simply be legalised.
    That too would get rid of all the gangs and the health problems associated with quality. By bringing addicts back into civilised society it would reduce the robberies too – more effectively than your suggestion I think because simply handing out free drugs would make many more people addicts.
    I think future generations will look at our drug policy with the same disdain that we today look at America’s attempts to ban alcohol.

  3. I note bathugeo’s comments. I would say that if we made heroin free on the NHS (well it is anyway, it is just called somethig else when used as a pain killer) to those with a provable medical addiction it could reduce demand.
    Dealers can get people hooked with “free” samples. If someone who was hooked did not need to go back for a paid for hit, then one avenue for getting people addicted would be reduced.

  4. By giving heroin away through the NHS, it still adds a cost to society. I really don’t want to fund other peoples’ highs!
    Legalise it, and give it such a low market price that criminals are priced out. Tax it to pay for the needles and you have a fully self contained solution with the additional advantage that a fair trade deal could be set up with some 3rd world country to supply the drugs!
    Everyone’s happy – except the criminal who has to find a new market to exploit and the Police who will have less real crimes to chase up. Can’t have everything!
    Tim adds: Well, yes, that would be my preferred solution but that might be just a little too radical for Iain’s readers. I’ve written about it before, extensively, even to hte point that I covered a Gary Becker paper for the SAU blog: he thinks tax would reduce compensation even more than the current illegality does.

  5. Might it change the dynamic in Afghanistan too?

  6. >It’s well known that on pharmaceutical grade drugs (the main source of which is, I believe, Tasmania
    Tasmania is certainly one of the major sources, yes. Drive through Tassie and you’ll see field upon field of opium poppies.
    There are a few hippies who sneak in to fields and steal poppies and then mix them up in a blender an drink the juice. Provides a mild high, apparently. Every now and then one of them dies as a result and it generates a minor news story.

  7. I’ve always thought Iain Dale’s writing was reactionary and pretty poor

  8. Nice expression of what has long been the obvious solution to the “drug problem”, given that the “problem” stems entirely from criminalization and fatuous “wars on drugs” etc. A barrister friend of mine estimates that street crime would more than halve, by the way: go down by 80-90% or so is apparently more like it.

  9. If you legalised drugs you’d find that you also had to give them away to addicts for free. Many of them would be incapable of holding down a job so they would still have to steal in order to get the money. The only way to control this would be through draconian prison sentences for repeat offenders, which would be extremely expensive and not much different from locking them up for drug possession, or by giving the drugs away.
    Conversely, if addicts were offered free drugs you’d find that the criminals were still making plenty of money from non-addicted users who didn’t qualify for the handouts, and from addicts who didn’t want to risk going on an official register. The free drugs scheme would quickly become extremely bureaucratic as attempts were made to separate the genuine addicts from casual users trying to get a freebie, steadily reducing the number of addicts who were willing/able to go through the process. You’d also have a rise in crime and disorder around the places where the drugs were handed out. Criminals would go there to mug the addicts and steal their drugs, so the addicts would consume their ration immediately and slump/sleep/vomit/freeze in the nearby streets. So the only way to put the criminals out of business and minimise the fraud problem would be through a general legalisation of drugs.
    In practice you’d have to have something like F0ul’s suggestion. It is also far more just to have a system in which the cost of subsidising the addicts is ultimately paid by other users, rather than by the population as a whole.

  10. The only down side of this is that Copenhagen and Amsterdam, two of the more notable examples of the laissez faire policy, are generally regarded as the sewers of Europe.

  11. Hmmm, it sounds like a fine idea, but what about if the number of overdose deaths rises rapidly?
    The hippies say it, the grown ups say it, the heads say it, the police say it, the straights say it,the junkies say it …. HEROIN KILLS – its not like other drugs and that is why it has the particular reputation that it has.
    Legalising it may turn out to have been a bad idea in hindsight. Even giving it only to registered addicts has not much been proved by experience, we used to do that in the UK but stopped in the 70s.
    Heroin is a real world problem that nobody seems to have found a good solution to.

  12. Tim,
    Free heroin would create more addicts. Why not be a junkie when you don’t have to pay for your junk?

  13. “Free heroin would create more addicts”
    When the addicts become unemployable, they would doubtless qualify for inacpacity benefit paid for by taxpayers. If they overdose and have to be hospitalised, taxpayers have to pay for that too in the cost of running the NHS. Seems to me that taxpayers are fully entitled to take a view on whether it would be a good idea to distribute free heroin.

  14. Martin,
    Heroin would be cheap when allowed through customs… We’d just tax it like tobacco or alcohol, then use the taxes from that to a) fund the NHS and b) provide incentives not to use it

  15. Legalise it and take the criminal element out of it. If a smack head does a crime put them away for the crime and don’t bother using their addiction as an excuse for bad behaviour. Being a moron addict is no excuse for being criminal.

  16. squawkbox Avatar
    squawkbox

    2 problems with legalisation that don’t seem to be raised often.
    1. Legalising drugs would make the country very popular for foreign drug dealers, for whom the prospect of buying supplies legally and smuggling them out would be attractive. Good for the economy, I suppose, but wouldn’t exactly make you popular among the overwhelming majority of countries where drugs are still illegal. And can you imagine the customs checks on any group of passengers coming from a legalized drug country?
    2. Legal and presumably cheap drugs would make the UK a beacon for every screwed-up junkie loser in the Western world. Don’t you have enough of your own already?

  17. There seems to be a view that Heroin use is completely beyond the control of either government or society (ie. the transmission of social norms).
    If that were so then Heroin addiction rates would tend to equally high everywhere. You might expect this to to mitigated by price or other factor. However, the reality is that Heroin use is pretty low many countries where the drug is available such as in the Middle East and Afghanistan. The fact that they grow it (often against draconian laws) but merely export it rather than use it themselves suggests that social norms plays a much bigger part than economics in whether people indulge or not.

  18. Tim,
    This is why I like your writing, because it’s about a science-based approach to politics.
    The problem with many Labour/Conservative people is that it’s not about policy that stems from philosophy and science, but about currently accepted truths.
    The fact is that when government tries to stop 2 people entering freely into a transaction, it fails. The drug tourism of Amsterdam is a mirror of the gambling tourism of the channel resorts of the first part of the 20th century.

  19. “the reality is that Heroin use is pretty low many countries where the drug is available such as in the Middle East and Afghanistan”
    No it bloody well isn’t. Heroin use in Iran is massive. I’m fairly sure it’s the same in Pakistan.

  20. Heroin kills like no other drug. Could be one of your loved ones next time.

  21. towcestarian Avatar
    towcestarian

    Tricky one this. Whilst a liberal approach sounds good in theory, I doubt it would work in practice. One of the “problems” with heroin is that is becomes very difficult to be a fully paid up addict AND hold down any sort of job (except rock star maybe, so long as you don’t actually have to make any records or perform live any more). So even at give away prices, it is unaffordable for the average smack-head unless they are out thieving.
    Probably the only practicable approach is ultimately a defeatist one that says that all heroin addicts on conviction of any offence should be forced into rehab until clean; and accept that the criminal fraternity will have long and fruitful careers providing human detritus for the clinics.

  22. Heroin overdose death rate in the United States is about even with the aspirin death rate. Heroin deaths relate to two factors. One is overdose resulting from inconsistant purity, a direct result of black market distribution, In fact the hot shot is a standard way of getting rid of a problem customer. The other is combining it with alcohol, a result of insufficient drug education.
    Note by the way that my stated position has been not to toggle to legalization but to decriminalize and demilitarize while establishing a culture of mmoderation. Note also that states which make needles harder to get do not show lower needle drug rates, and if needles did disappear, the practice of chasing the dragon would take their place.

  23. It was noticeable that while Iain’s opinion was anti the overwhelming majority of comments, on what is a lergely Tory blog, were supportive of Brunstrom on this (even if they thought he was to tough on motorists).

  24. Michael Martin-Smith Avatar
    Michael Martin-Smith

    Legalise drugs- could be good; as long as they taxed enough to free the rest of us from any costs; also, make it a life style choice,in that if any users come to harm on their own heads be it. Deny them benefits, and force them into gainful occupation. That way, drug users may become of some actual use to society. As for the criminals and dealers- surely they can be kept where the Sun doesn’t shine…they are of no use to the rest of us

  25. Check this site out!
    Dedicated to our departed colleagues who courageously spoke out about the destructive policy of Drug Prohibition.
    Police, Judges, Lawyers, Law enforcement want Legalized drugs. See why!
    http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

  26. Check this site out!
    Dedicated to our departed colleagues who courageously spoke out about the destructive policy of Drug Prohibition.
    Police, Judges, Lawyers, Law enforcement want Legalized drugs. See why!
    http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

  27. chris Wine Avatar
    chris Wine

    legal drugs are fine, as long as you can control the addicts that are using them…. why not give them a place to enjoy their nasty habits, i.e. give them an island where they can get as high as they would like to be, just make sure once they are there, they wont come back……

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