Odd.

Troops Out Now!

Whether one talks of
25,000 violent deaths, as claimed by Iraq Occupation Focus, the 39,000
counted by the Swiss-based Graduate Institute of International Studies,
or the 100,000 "excess civilian deaths", including nonviolent
casualties of occupation, identified by the Lancet, this is a massacre
of innocent people that the government apparently believes is a price
worth ignoring for its Iraq policy.

Whether
these killings are directly attributable to the occupying force, or
caused by the terrorism that has flourished on the occupiers’ watch
along with economic and social chaos, they are the best reason for
bringing the troops home. It should be done for the Iraqis, not just
for ourselves.

There’s one major problem with this analysis. Quite a serious one in fact. We do not start from the point which we might want to start from. We are not starting from the place where we have not invaded, Saddam is still keeping order (in however bloodthirsty a fashion) and al-Q is only mad at us because of Afghanistan, troops in Saudi, Gulf War I, al-Andalus,  the post WWI carving up of  the Ottoman Empire and whatever else festered in their minds.

No, we are where we are now. Trying, however well or badly,  to pacify a violent country for the benefit of the population of that country.

The question is, if we should "do it for the Iraqis",  (assuming that we accept that point), is, will leaving the country with no military forces to speak of be a better solution for the Iraqis than what is going on now? Enquiring minds might be able to differ on that point but even by the standards of the Stop the War Coalition’s logic I don’t quite get it. I don’t agree with them that it should never have happened, don’t agree that the basic idea was wrong, but I do think that their belief in those things is leading them to the worst possible solution. Troops out now might be a good rallying call but it isn’t a good solution to the problem we face now.

5 responses

  1. Rich Johnston Avatar
    Rich Johnston

    As a fervent opponent of the war in Iraq, there’s no way I could support troops being withdrawn now. We made a huge mess, it’s time to fix it.

  2. Another Tim Avatar
    Another Tim

    Absolutely. I don’t think we should have gone there but we are and it’s only the US and other coalition troops that are preventing a full-scale civil war. I doubt if ‘Troops Out’ really give a flying **** for Iraqis. It’s just one of the few remaining causes where the pathetic remnants of the hard left think they can get wider support.

  3. Hmm they are one-trick ponies the lot of them I feel. Do they supply any constructive suggestions along with pulling out the troops? I suspect not, apart from ‘everyone be nice to each other’ which I guess they won’t be. The thing is, 99% of people in Iraq and elsewhere for that matter are not pacifists who will sit and do nothing or turn the other cheek. Pulling out troops now would cause a humanitarian disaster.
    In other words we need to make the best of a bad situation and proactively address the problems. Sloganised peaceniks are not living in the real world.

  4. It seems that almost every day, I see some article which prompts me to this yet again.
    As reported by The Herald (Al Zarqawi declares war on Iraq election; The Herald. Glasgow (UK): Jan 24, 2005. pg. 1) [Paid link] are the words of Iranian cleric and insurgant commander, Al-Zarqawi, speaking the day before the Iraqi elections in January:
    Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the terror chief, warned Iraqis yesterday he would wage a “bitter war” against next Sunday’s election… “We have declared a bitter war against the principle of democracy and all those who seek to enact it,” a speaker identified as al Zarqawi said on an Islamist website. “Those who vote . . . are infidels. And with God as my witness, I have informed them (of our intentions).”

  5. Your critique on the Guardian piece was excellent, but failed in one respect to highlight the flaw in the Guardian writer’s philosophy of appeasement by withdrawal, in that you omitted to mention the one big problem with announcing a timetable; which is that it then gives the fruit-and-nut cases a target date to ramp up their indiscriminate slaughter!
    For a tiny insight into what is still available to the killers in the midst of the Iraqi nation, check out a blogsite by an american journalist named Michael Yon, at http://michaelyon.blogspot.com/2005/07/devils-foyer.html for a ringside view of what is still available to help in the killing both of Iraqi, American and British forces presently serving in that theatre of operations!

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