The Da Vinci Code Case

I have to admit that I’m still very confused indeed about what is actually alleged here. Dan Brown is said to have taken a lot of The Da Vinci Code from an earlier book, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. OK; I get that bit, obviously:

Mr Rayner James told the appeal judges yesterday: “The appellants’
case was that the theme appropriated by the Browns and used in DVC was
a substantial part of the appellants’ copyright work and was thus an
infringement.

“The learned judge, however, considered the case to be about whether the central theme (of HBHG)
was itself a protectable copyright work. This error led the learned
judge into a series of judgments that were wrong in law, and the
learned judge then misapplied the law to his extensive findings of
fact.”

Now the HBHG authors had something of a mountain to climb. To claim that their ideas were copyright they had to show that it was a work of art, didn’t they? But if they were facts, then there could be no copyright. But as they had all along claimed that the book was true, there could be no copyright, except in the actual words themselves, rather than the ideas?

But what really gets me, the bit I really don’t understand, is why they are even trying to claim copyright on those ideas? I thought they were commonplace in the Gnostic Gospels, that Jesus and Mary Magdalene married and had children?

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11 responses

  1. Tim,
    Do you think the Muslim version of the ‘Da Vinci Code’ would have Mohammed’s last descendant operating a minicab firm in Wolverhampton?

  2. Martin – it probably wouldn’t be a very exciting read, given that the concept is so common that two Arab terms “sharif” and “sayyid” refer to descendants of Muhammad (the rulers of Morocco and Jordan, among many others, claim this title…)

  3. Marcin Tustin Avatar
    Marcin Tustin

    You’re very confused about the whole background – a work of history is still capable of copyright protection. Secondly, ideas, in the form of plot or character are covered by copyright.
    They’re probably claiming that the vatican hiding it is new.

  4. I think the word “plot” and the word “character” are words that refer to FICTION. Or do you think that the “plot” of World War 2 is a bit too racy, and the “character” of Adolf Hitler isn’t really credible?

  5. How can you copyright plot of fiction? The same plots turn up over and over again. It is only when whole chunks of the original work are lifted that copyright applies.

  6. James of England Avatar
    James of England

    Read wikipedia on the Gospel of Philip and you’ll see the entirety of the gnostic gospel claim for Magdelene’s marriage: In short, it says that
    a:Christ kissed her on [fragment lost]. It’s worth remembering that Christians as a whole used to practice the “holy kiss” much more widely.
    b:Christ loved her more than the rest. The rest of the text is a little obscure in meaning, but that’s kind of the point (it wouldn’t be a gnostic gospel if it made a lot of sense). “They said to him “Why do you love her more than all of us?” The Savior answered and said to them, “Why do I not love you like her? When a blind man and one who sees are both together in darkness, they are no different from one another. When the light comes, then he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness.””
    In other words, there’s nothing at all suggesting a closer relationship than with, say, John, before the third century AD. There’s very little indeed then, and there’s nothing to suggest marriage before modern times.
    The belief that he was known to have had children and his followers said that it was better not to have children than to have them without any kind of struggle over this doctrine is not a belief that would have flourished before modern biblical illiteracy became widespread.

  7. In short, it says that
    a:Christ kissed her on [fragment lost].

    Lost or censored? Looks suspiciously like muff-diving to me.

  8. What a dirty mind you have.
    Could easily have been ‘Tuesday’.

  9. I can see why HBHG writers are hacked off – they’ve concocted some nice piece of conspiracy theory, passed it off as history, and have seen Brown trouser millions for appropriating their ideas. But they have no place in law in which they can seek redress, because I suspect John B (above) may be wrong. Certainly, you can copyright the work itself (ie the words themselves), but you cannot copyright the ideas expressed therein – otherwise we would have no transmission of knowledge. If I wrote a nonfiction book that ‘proved’ that Jade Goody was Hitler’s granddaughter, anybody would then be welcome to use that idea in their own works. What they couldn’t do would be to write a nonfiction book, using my words and arguments unacknowledged, that came to the same (startling) conclusion. However, if they wrote a thriller – The Jade Hitler Code – that was based on my ‘historical’ findings, then they would be free to do so.

  10. For the record, Marcin Tustin may or may not be wrong about copyright law, while I may or may not be wrong about Muhammad. Comments here are signed at the bottom…

  11. John B – many apologies!

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