Victim’s Rights

It’s difficult to see what the DPP is going on about here.

Ken Macdonald, QC, head of the Crown Prosecution Service, said that
elitist attitudes had helped to break the bond of trust between the
public and the criminal justice system.

In
an extraordinary warning, he said that the country would enter
dangerous territory if the public felt that justice was not being
delivered by the courts.

Mr Macdonald also called for a move away from the position
held by many lawyers that only the defendants’ rights matter. Greater
emphasis should be given to the rights of victims and witnesses, he
said. “Few sounds are less attractive than well-educated lawyers
patronising vulnerable victims of crime with inflexible platitudes.”

If he means, as other parts of the speech imply, that victims and witnesses should be better treated, better informed, taken care of better, well, of course. If, however, he means that there should be some change to the system so that the rights of the victim are placed in some way above the rights of the accused then he’s obviously wrong.

He said that there had to be fairness for both victims of crime and
suspects: “The view that only defendants’ rights matter, still quite
commonly held by many criminal lawyers, appears to me to be a
fundamentalist position that we should move away from.

“My own view is that liberal commentators need to start by
acknowledging that the public have a point. The service given to
victims and witnesses has traditionally been appalling.”

See what I mean? It’s not really clear which of the two changes he’s advocating.

The speech, which was given to an audience of lawyers and
criminologists, will provoke anger among many lawyers, particularly
those representing suspects, and it will raise suspicions that Mr
Macdonald wishes to water down traditional legal safeguards for
defendants. But in it he insisted that the principles of jury trial,
presumption of innocence, a right to appeal and full disclosure of the
state’s case were all non-negotiable.

Really? Silence no longer inculdes the presumption of innocence, jury trials may be limited in complex fraud cases, full disclosure does not happen in terrorism cases when asking for extended custody nor in cases of control orders. So these are the non-negotiable lines in the sand that the DPP will maintain? Sold the pass already dear boy.

John Cooper, a leading criminal law barrister, said: “The
fundamental of a trial in the criminal justice system is the analysis
of facts and evidence to decide if the prosecution have proved their
case.

“It is not, and never should be, an arena where victims
primarily undertake a cathartic exercise for the allegation that is
tested at the trial.”

Quite right. Look, the intent and purpose of a criminal justice system is not that difficult to define. To lock up the maximum number of baddies while still protecting the civil liberties of all. That means that those certain protections, habeas corpus, the presumption of innocence, jury trial and so on are never breached, for they are, in the long term, the protections of those civil liberties. That maintaining them means that some bad guys don’t get locked up is unfortunate but better that than not having the liberties. As someone who has lived and worked in a country that doesn’t operate its criminal justice system in this way, believe me, you really don’t want it to be the other way around.

 

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9 responses

  1. “Ken Macdonald, QC, head of the Crown Prosecution Service, said that elitist attitudes had helped to break the bond of trust between the public and the criminal justice system.”
    As Mandy Rice-Davies was wont to say, “He would [say that], wouldn’t he?”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/crime/caseclosed/profumo.shtml
    A far more credible explanation of why the public has lost faith in the criminal justice system is this astonishing fact:
    “An investigation shows that conviction rates for many of the most violent crimes have been in freefall since Labour came to power in 1997 and are now well below 10 per cent. The chronically low figures for convictions come at the same time as reports that violent crime is increasing. An analysis of Home Office figures reveals that only 9.7 per cent of all ‘serious woundings’, including stabbings, that are reported to the police result in a conviction. For robberies the figure falls to 8.9 per cent and for rape, it is 5.5 per cent.”
    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1784623,00.html
    “Conviction rates for serious offences such as wounding and rape are too low, the Attorney General has admitted.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5025924.stm
    Despite that, we not only have a record number of people in prison, we also have the largest per capita prison population in all Western Europe:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn1page1.stm
    So much for: Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime.
    But not much point in locking up criminals in prison for a long time if only a small minority of criminals are actually getting detected, arrested and convicted. Most robbers, burglars, rapists and fraudsters must be figuring that crime pays.
    Btw remember this?
    “The incoming Director of Public Prosecutions has a conviction for possession of cannabis, it has emerged. Ken Macdonald was prosecuted when he was an 18-year-old student after sending 1g of the drug, worth 25p, through the post to a friend. The Attorney General’s Office said it knew of Mr Macdonald’s 1971 drugs conviction, and a separate speeding conviction in 2001, before he was appointed. . . Last week’s announcement that he would be the new head of the Crown Prosecution Service prompted allegations of ‘rampant cronyism’ from senior Tories. They were angered by the fact that the QC co-founded the legal chambers where Cherie Blair works.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3149417.stm

  2. In my experience the reason why a lot of ‘serious asaults’ aren’t reported is because ‘victim’ knows ‘attacker’ and will get his mates round to beat him up. A *lot* of the assaults I go to are scrote 1 beating up scrote 2, only for the roles to be reveresed next week.
    Random violence is rare, if there is one thing I’ve learned it’s that most people who get assaulted have a good reason for getting thumped.
    Pity the poor police who have to take statements only for charges to be dropped once everyone sobers up.

  3. OK but how come this recent news on trends in crime over the last year:
    “A rise in young people carrying mobile phones and MP3 players is being blamed for street robberies and muggings jumping by 8% last year. The latest crime figures include a 10% rise in gunpoint robberies.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5195910.stm
    I thought the New Labour government had banned handguns shortly after coming into office in 1997.

  4. Much of the public’s grievance with the criminal justice system is not that the accused in a criminal trial has rights, the presumption of innocence and so on, but that once the scrote in question is found guilty, he is given a derisory slap on the wrist as a punishment, and is out committing exactly the same crime a few days later.
    Their complaint is not with the fact that the prosecution have to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, it’s with the fact that the criminal gets a pat on the head, told that he’s a poor little underprivileged boy with a bad upbringing, and that it’s not really his fault that he’s a thieving toerag – that it’s somehow the fault of the victim for having the effrontery of walking around in public with an iPod.

  5. Wot Sam said.

  6. Steve G Avatar
    Steve G

    I don’t know how general this problem is, but I’m told by a chap I know who’s a volunteer with the Witness Support Service that one of his main gripes about the criminal justice system is the way that the CPS are very bad at warning witnesses when they’ll be needed.
    OK, it’s unavoidable that sometimes trials either finish a lot sooner than anticipated or go on longer than expected, but apparently, when the CPS and the Court Office are trying to re-jig the calendar at short notice because of this, the availablity of civilian witnesses is frequently the last thing to be considered.
    Consequently, people often find themselves contacted last thing in the afternoon and told to attend court at 10 the following morning to give their evidence, leaving them to make arrangements at zilch notice as best they can for child care, time off work and so on. According to this chap, the CPS just cannot see why this might sometimes upset witnesses.

  7. “once the scrote in question is found guilty, he is given a derisory slap on the wrist as a punishment, and is out committing exactly the same crime a few days later”
    Call me an ol’ fashioned fuddy duddy, a boring liberal nutcase and a spoil sport for letting facts screw up a jolly good claim but my inclination when faced by sweeping unsupported assertions like that is to reach out for the facts. Just say I’m prejudiced that way or a creature of habit.
    How about this PQ on the 20 July this year as reported in Hansard?
    Mr. Garnier (Conservative, Harborough): To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) what average length of custodial sentence was (a) handed out in each of the last nine years and (b) served by offenders released in each of the last nine years; [84400]
    (2) what average length of custodial sentence was (a) handed out for and (b) served by those offenders convicted of (i) rape, (ii) murder, (iii) robbery, (iv) manslaughter, (v) sexual assault and (vi) non-fatal criminal assault with knives and bladed instruments who have been released in each of the last nine years; [84401]
    (3) what average length of custodial sentence was (a) handed out and (b) served by those convicted of (i) possession with intent to supply Class (A) A, (B) B and (C) C drugs and (ii) simple possession of each category of drugs who were released in each of the last nine years; [84409]
    (4) what average length of custodial sentence was (a) handed out and (b) served by those convicted of (i) grievous bodily harm with intent, (ii) grievous bodily harm, (iii) actual bodily harm and (iv) assault who were released in each of the last nine years. [84410]
    In the resulting tables of data for the years 1996 through 2004, it rather looked to me that the average length of custodial sentences had for the most part been increasing.
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/cm060720/text/60720w1849.htm
    Alternatively, try:
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2006-07-20a.84400.h
    In case the URLs gets horribly truncated again, try googling on:
    “custodial sentence length” – but without the quotes.

  8. I recall from conversations of about ten years back with a colleague whose son had recently graduated with a (good) law degree (ancient uni) and had decided to embark on a career at the bar. His insight was that criminal lawyers had a career choice.
    They could try their luck free lancing, attracting mainly defence briefs in criminal cases, or they could seek a secure, salaried appointment with the Crown Prosecution Service. The option they chose tended to depend on their expectations of which choice would likely earn them more money over a lifetime’s career. My colleague ventured the suggestion that the incentives to perform well free-lancing on defence briefs in criminal cases were a great deal more potent than the incentives to perform well with prosecuting briefs from the CPS. The outcome was predictable – low conviction rates.
    As I recall, my colleague’s son decided to give the criminal bar a miss. He figured that better (and cleaner) money could be earned from commercial law and corporate clients.
    Curious how economists tend to look at issues like this.

  9. Steve G Avatar
    Steve G

    While I’m sure that Bob B’s colleague’s son made a financially astute decision in opting for the commercial rather than the criminal bar, it’s certainly not the case — at least not in the Crown Court where I work (IANAL) — that many trials are undertaken by CPS salaried professionals. The salaried professionals tend to do the preliminary hearings and sentencing (for which the defence aren’t very well paid at legal aid defence rates), but trial counsel are almost always independent barristers who will probably be defending next week.

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