Paul Krugman: Time to Leave.

Paul Krugman today says that it’s time to leave Iraq. He may be right or wrong but his reasoning seems suspect:

And time is running out. With some military units on
their third tour of duty in Iraq, the superb volunteer army that Mr.
Bush inherited is in increasing danger of facing a collapse in quality
and morale similar to the collapse of the officer corps in the early
1970’s.

That collapse in the 70s, umm, didn’t it come from lefties at home insisting that the Army were a bunch of murderous fascists who had been beaten in battle?

Telling warriors to come home for their own safety ain’t quite the way to build morale either.

He also flirts with the vilest of ideas:


Mr. Bush never asked the nation for the sacrifices — higher taxes, a bigger military and, possibly, a revived draft

A draft? Conscription? That gross and disgusting idea that the lives of the citzenry are for the State to dispose of? No, far better a voluntary military. If retention and recruitment levels do fall, below the numbers needed, then the citizenry will have decided themselves that it is not worth fighting. You remember that line, what if they held a war and no one turned up? Volunteers can do that, helots enslaved by the State cannot.

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Not long ago wise heads offered some advice to those of us who had
argued since 2003 that the Iraq war was sold on false pretenses: give
it up. The 2004 election, they said, showed that we would never
convince the American people. They suggested that we stop talking about
how we got into Iraq and focus instead on what to do next.

It turns out that the wise heads were wrong. A solid majority of
Americans now believe that we were misled into war. And it is only now,
when the public has realized the truth about the past, that serious
discussions about where we are and where we’re going are able to get a
hearing.

Representative John Murtha’s speech calling for a quick departure from
Iraq was full of passion, but it was also serious and specific in a way
rarely seen on the other side of the debate. President Bush and his
apologists speak in vague generalities about staying the course and
finishing the job. But Mr. Murtha spoke of mounting casualties and
lagging recruiting, the rising frequency of insurgent attacks, stagnant
oil production and lack of clean water.

Mr. Murtha — a much-decorated veteran who cares deeply about America’s
fighting men and women — argued that our presence in Iraq is making
things worse, not better. Meanwhile, the war is destroying the military
he loves. And that’s why he wants us out as soon as possible.

I’d add that the war is also destroying America’s moral authority. When
Mr. Bush speaks of human rights, the world thinks of Abu Ghraib. (In
his speech, Mr. Murtha pointed out the obvious: torture at Abu Ghraib
helped fuel the insurgency.) When administration officials talk of
spreading freedom, the world thinks about the reality that much of Iraq
is now ruled by theocrats and their militias.

Some administration officials accused Mr. Murtha of undermining the
troops and giving comfort to the enemy. But that sort of thing no
longer works, now that the administration has lost the public’s trust.

Instead, defenders of our current policy have had to make a substantive
argument: we can’t leave Iraq now, because a civil war will break out
after we’re gone. One is tempted to say that they should have thought
about that possibility back when they were cheerleading us into this
war. But the real question is this: When, exactly, would be a good time
to leave Iraq?

The fact is that we’re not going to stay in Iraq until we achieve
victory, whatever that means in this context. At most, we’ll stay until
the American military can take no more.

Mr. Bush never asked the nation for the sacrifices — higher taxes, a
bigger military and, possibly, a revived draft — that might have made
a long-term commitment to Iraq possible. Instead, the war has been
fought on borrowed money and borrowed time. And time is running out.
With some military units on their third tour of duty in Iraq, the
superb volunteer army that Mr. Bush inherited is in increasing danger
of facing a collapse in quality and morale similar to the collapse of
the officer corps in the early 1970’s.

So the question isn’t whether things will be ugly after American forces
leave Iraq. They probably will. The question, instead, is whether it
makes sense to keep the war going for another year or two, which is all
the time we realistically have.

Pessimists think that Iraq will fall into chaos whenever we leave. If
so, we’re better off leaving sooner rather than later. As a Marine
officer quoted by James Fallows in the current Atlantic Monthly puts
it, ”We can lose in Iraq and destroy our Army, or we can just lose.”

And there’s a good case to be made that our departure will actually
improve matters. As Mr. Murtha pointed out in his speech, the
insurgency derives much of its support from the perception that it’s
resisting a foreign occupier. Once we’re gone, the odds are that
Iraqis, who don’t have a tradition of religious extremism, will turn on
fanatical foreigners like Zarqawi.

The only way to justify staying in Iraq is to make the case that
stretching the U.S. army to its breaking point will buy time for
something good to happen. I don’t think you can make that case
convincingly. So Mr. Murtha is right: it’s time to leave.




8 responses

  1. “””Conscription? That gross and disgusting idea that the lives of the citzenry are for the State to dispose of?”””
    Just as well you weren’t running any Western country during world war II.
    Tim adds: I think it’s a fairly well established fact that having me running any country at any time would be a disastrous idea. But yes, even then I would not have supported conscription. If people don’t volunteer then the place isn’t worth saving.

  2. This war was a mistake.
    When we go to war we should draft people to ensure the objective is one which is worth losing the life of your loved one over. Please compare this to losing the life of “someone else’s loved one”

  3. John Thacker Avatar
    John Thacker

    When we go to war we should draft people to ensure the objective is one which is worth losing the life of your loved one over.
    To ensure that the objective is worth losing the life of someone who doesn’t want to be there, eh? Please compare this to losing the life of someone who volunteered.

  4. That collapse in the 70s, umm, didn’t it come from lefties at home insisting that the Army were a bunch of murderous fascists who had been beaten in battle?
    Dolchstosslegende, how are ya? Nope. Not according to the famous Armed Forces Journal article by Robert Heinl, who thought that it was, surprise surprise, a result of the fact that if you send a lot of young men who didn’t want to be in the Army to fight a palpably pointless war, then the business of the Army is not going to be done very well.
    Tim adds: So you also don’t think that conscriptions a very good idea?

  5. The Chicken Left’s favorite ekôno-guru is damn right: time for the marines to go home … Ah, if only it were that easy! Me thinks we’re kind of stuck there for a while: welcome to the Neocon’s free Iraq: “you break it, you own it” as Secretary Powell once said…or “You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave” to use a poignant metaphor taken from a famous “deep dark seventies” Californian poem!…
    When it comes to the Neocon propaganda factory, old Marxist/Trotskyite habits die hard: in many ways, Abu Musab Al-I don’tknowwhatawi is the Emmanuel Goldstein of our age : just like the famous character from Orwell’s novel, the Jordanian-born “Super-Terrorist” started an organization known as “The Brotherhood”, dedicated to the fall of the sole superpower…
    In “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, comrade Goldstein is the main character of the “Two Minutes Hate,” a daily information video clip shown on “The Telescreen”- the ancestor of Fox News and the TeX-Aviv Broadcasting Company…
    Sounds familiar??…
    ————————————————–
    Post-PS: Zarqawi’s fate, updated, redux:
    We’re now told that “in Beijing, China, a stop on President Bush’s trip to Asia, National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones discounted the prospect of al-Zarqawi’s death.
    The report is highly unlikely and not credible” [sic] he said
    Guess Abu Musab Al- Idon’tknowwhatawi will “live to fight another battle” as they say in Koranic/Neocon circles…
    Too bad his “ancestral tribe” back in Jordanistan disowned him three times…kind of just like Saint Peter and the man they call Christ…the Madison Avenue-trained gurus at the PR and Public Disinformation section of our embassy in Amman are simply too brilliant!
    Abu Musab père surely couldn’t stand the thought of his son going postal on full jacket jihad in Ayyraq…but rest assured the Mohammedan Emmanuel Goldstein of our age will (once again!) lick his wounds and bounce back blah blah blah Zzzzzzzzzzz…..
    Stay tuned my dear fellow citizen/dupes for the born-again Abu Musab will be reappearing soon in a Fox News premiere and/or a White House press conference theater near you!

  6. If you asked Michael Moore, he would dispute that the USA military are volunteer. He’d point out the hideously low chances of employment with any other employer for the disadvantaged kids from underprivileged backgrounds who end up as cannon fodder in Iraq and ask you what other choice they have.
    Helots? Barely fully citizens at any rate.

  7. Dan Collins Avatar
    Dan Collins

    Auntymarianne–
    Incorrect that the families of most recruits are below the national average in income. Incorrect about the outside prospects for people who do decide to sign up. Incorrect that the people that the US Armed Forces will presently accept are academic underachievers.
    And really silly to cite Michael Moore, who is a cynical anti-American multimillionaire pile of mendacity.

  8. Chances of UNemployment, as aunty mistakenly typed, really are extremely low in the US compared to the euro-model economies Moore admires. If you ask the people in the military why they joined, you won’t hear a whole lot of them saying it was the best money they could get. Their pay is abysmal; it’s a national scandal. Anybody bright enough and motivated enough to get by in the military could be making better money in civilian life, working shorter hours and not getting shot at. “Hideously low chances of employment”?! That’s absurd.
    Really, the way to find out why people join the military is to ask them, not to cook up a convenient theory and declare it to be true. That “pure reason” approach brought us phologiston, phrenology, spontaneous generation, Marx’s clever idea that prices are determined by cost of production, and the theory that women have fewer teeth than men.

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